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The time constraints and the overwhelming response from the audience have left some questions unanswered at the International Housing Conference 2004. The Conference Secretariat has obtained the following answers from various honourable speakers after the closing of the Conference. The opinions expressed by the speakers are personal views. They do not necessarily reflect those of the Conference organizer:
Questions
Question to: Mr Pierre David, Executive Director, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, Canada (Plenary Session One)
"What is the rationale for an organization like CMHC to get involved in the international arena?"
Questions to: Professor Liu Hong-yu, Professor and Director, Institute of Real Estate Studies, Tsinghua University, PRC
1.In China the process of urbanization is an indication of economic growth and prosperity. The problem is that millions of people moves from rural area to urban area will cause serious housing problems. Please comment on the measures to tackle the problem of housing.
2.Professor Liu said, "Lower income groups pay more for the construction of infrastructure". Please explain.
3.What is the Central Government's policy and arrangement on the housing demand of lower income group (i.e. those people who are not able to buy a flat from the private sector). Please explain.
可否請劉教授解釋中央政府對低收入人士(即未有能力購買商品房)住屋需求的政策及安排?
Question to: Dr Yu Shi-ming & Professor Yosuke Hirayama (Plenary Session 2)
It seems that there is a downward adjustment in population in Singapore and Japan? What is the strategy to cope with such situation?
Question to: Mr Peter Chan & Mr John Ng (Concurrent Session 6)
Exhaust fans in kitchens and bathrooms are common installations in Hong Kong. However, WHO findings revealed that these installations might cause problems to the spread of disease. What is your advice?
Questions to: Professor Nelson Chow, Chair Professor, Department of Social Work & Social Administration, University of Hong Kong, HKSAR (Concurrent Session 6)
1.I totally share with the 'Aging in place' and 'Continuum of care' principles of providing elderly housing. In view of the cuts in public expenditure, what would be the impact of these cuts upon the provision of welfare services, e.g. home service, including meal and household services provided to the elderly in their 'living place'?
2.It seems that the "Care in the Community" or "Aging in Place" approach has been interpreted as "...either living by themselves or with members of their family rather than by care in residential institutions..." To implement that policy, considerable resources have been spent in a shifting away from building residential institutions. But to many elderly, it seems living in residential institutions may be a better choice in terms of care, social life and resources required. What is your view on this?
Question to: Professor Dr P S N Rao, Department of Housing, Indian Institute of Public Administration, India (Concurrent Session 7)
Can you briefly explain what the government of India is doing in terms of providing decent housing for the urban poor?
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Question to: Mr Pierre David, Executive Director, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, Canada (Plenary Session One)
Q. "What is the rationale for an organization like CMHC to get involved in the international arena?"
A. Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC) has over 50 years of experience in housing finance, research and policy; assisted housing; housing technologies; energy efficiency; and building codes and standards. CMHC incorporates all aspects of Canadian housing and these positions it uniquely to bring its collective expertise into the international arena. By doing so, CMHC contributes to the Canadian government's broader foreign policy of assisting in the economic and social development of emerging countries, and ultimately to prosperity and global security.

On the consulting side, CMHC provides expertise and advice on housing finance projects abroad, assisting countries in transition and emerging economies to develop their own housing finance systems and policies. Canada's system of mortgage insurance has made mortgages accessible to segments of the population that would otherwise not meet eligibility criteria even domestically, and we offer this possibility to our clients abroad, with the ultimate goal always being that of home ownership.

Recognizing the opportunities created by the globalization of trade and the pressures of worldwide housing demand, CMHC works with Canadian companies in the area of export promotion and international business development for housing products and services. Given the generally small size of Canadian housing exporters, CMHC also sponsors research to assist them in developing market entry strategies and promoting Canadian technologies. Export activities create new jobs both domestically and abroad, and provide additional employment opportunities through joint ventures and foreign direct investment. Canada has made many advances in housing technologies and energy efficiency, and the Government of Canada is supporting the promotion of high quality, high performance Canadian housing to a growing community of environmentally and quality conscious builders throughout the world.

As we strengthen our own institutional capacity, we are also increasing the visibility of CMHC internationally, positioning ourselves competitively in an increasingly global marketplace, and developing new revenue streams for the Canadian exporters and the Corporation.

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Questions to: Professor Liu Hong-yu, Professor and Director, Institute of Real Estate Studies, Tsinghua University, PRC
Q1. In China the process of urbanization is an indication of economic growth and prosperity. The problem is that millions of people moves from rural area to urban area will cause serious housing problems. Please comment on the measures to tackle the problem of housing.
A. 這是一個很具有挑戰性的問題。我們的策略是:首先鼓勵現有小城市和建制鎮的發展,作為吸納農村人口的主要渠道,減少農村人口向大城市和特大城市過分集中;其次是通過發展農村地區經濟,在農村地區創造就業機會,為農村人口就地轉化為城市人口創造條件;再有就是考慮到進城務工的農村人口對城市經濟發展的貢獻,逐漸將城市居民社會保障制度(含住房保障)的覆蓋範圍擴大到一部分符合條件的農村進城務工人員。

This is a very challenging question. Our strategies are as follows: first, to encourage smaller cities and towns to develop in such a way that they become the main channels to attract rural population, and this in turn serves to reduce the influx of such population to the bigger and super urban cities; and second, to create job opportunities through rural economic developments so that these rural areas are well-prepared in the course of modernization. Further consideration will be given to the economic contribution of the influx of this rural population to the cities concerned by extending the social welfare scheme (including housing benefits) to those who are qualified.

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Questions to: Professor Liu Hong-yu, Professor and Director, Institute of Real Estate Studies, Tsinghua University, PRC
Q2. Professor Liu said, "Lower income groups pay more for the construction of infrastructure". Please explain.
A. 當前城市基礎設施建設過程中,存在著借助行政力量廉價徵用農民土地、城市舊區居民拆遷中不能得到合理補償等現象。由於受影響的舊城區居民和郊區農民中,低收入群體比例較高,他們沒有獲得足夠的補償,實際上是替政府承擔了部分基礎設施建設成本。

The current infrastructure developments involve obtaining lands from rural areas and older part of the cities at below market price through administrative orders. The affected population generally is among the lower income groups. Since they are not compensated fully, it is fair to say that in some way they are subsidizing part of the infrastructure costs for the government.

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Questions to: Professor Liu Hong-yu, Professor and Director, Institute of Real Estate Studies, Tsinghua University, PRC
Q3. What is the Central Government's policy and arrangement on the housing demand of lower income group (i.e. those people who are not able to buy a flat from the private sector). Please explain.

可否請劉教授解釋中央政府對低收入人士(即未有能力購買商品房)住屋需求的政策及安排?

A. 目前主要有兩個計畫:一個是面向中低收入家庭的"經濟適用房"計畫,政府通過免費供應土地、減少開發建設過程中的收費、控制開發商的利潤水平、審定銷售價格等措施,來降低新房價格;另外一個是面向低收入家庭的"廉租房"計畫,通過為低收入家庭提供房租補貼、或供應低租金住房,來滿足低收入家庭的住房需要。

There are two main schemes. Firstly, the 'Affordable Decent Housing' scheme for the middle lower income groups. It is done through free land supply from the government, lowering development fees and construction costs, controlling the profit margin of developers and restraining sale prices to achieve lower flat prices. The other is the 'Public Rental Housing' scheme for the low-income families, which is done through rent subsidies or provision of cheap rental housing to meet the housing need of these families.

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Question to: Dr Yu Shi-ming & Professor Yosuke Hirayama (Plenary Session 2)
Q. It seems that there is a downward adjustment in population in Singapore and Japan? What is the strategy to cope with such situation?
A. Answer by Dr Yu Shi-ming, Associate Professor, Department of Real Estate, National University of Singapore, Singapore

My answer is that the government is trying damn hard to get its people to produce more babies and at the same time attract foreign talent to sink root in Singapore. Demographics unlike economics are harder to control and manage.

A. Answer by Professor Yosuke Hirayama, Faculty of Human Development, Kobe University, Japan

With the exception of South-American Japanese, the government has not accepted unskilled laborers from overseas. However, it is currently considering offering permits since it anticipates that, due to the future decrease in population, particularly working population and an increase in those with higher education, there will be a shortage of unskilled laborers.

The government is also launching a series of new programs that aim at improving the conditions of childcare and at encouraging people to have children. For example, how the period of maternity leave, gender-equality and childcare facilities should be has been and is being examined.

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Question to: Mr Peter Chan & Mr John Ng (Concurrent Session 6)
Q. Exhaust fans in kitchens and bathrooms are common installations in Hong Kong. However, WHO findings revealed that these installations might cause problems to the spread of disease. What is your advice?
A. Answer by Mr Peter Chan, Sustainable Buildings and Construction Business Environment Council, HKSAR.

I agree that such exhaust fans might well be associated with the problem, however only part of the problem. For a start the fans are not the root cause of infectious diseases such as SARS but may provide a place for it to incubate (because they are difficult to clean properly, or are not cleaned frequently enough) and help the problem to spread (because of our very high rise and high density living conditions, it is common for the exhaust of one fan to enter adjoining properties). Precautions then are to stop the SARS at source (e.g. in the drains), ensure that ventilation equipment is properly sterilised as necessary, and ensure that fan exhausts are properly located for effective dispersal.

In this respect, HK-BEAM encourages natural ventilation where possible and even advocates wind analysis / CFD to investigate the build up of stagnant air / heat (e.g. around air conditioners, etc). Optimise cross ventilation can also be used to investigate cross contamination from one flat to another.

HK-BEAM will continue to evolve to specifically address such hygienic issues. The HK-BEAM research team is actively working on development of assessment criteria at the moment.

Finally, through BEC's involvement in a recent study to investigate the hygienic conditions of an ageing public housing estate, we found that issues such as stack effects in unused lift shaft access points and refuge chutes could cause the potential spread of bacteria or virus. For these problems, mitigation measures such as sealing for air tightness (for unused access points) and the use of mechanical ventilation (for refuge chutes) could be applied.

A. Answer by Mr John Ng, Chief Architect, Housing Department, HKSAR.

Naturally, one good measure is to locate kitchen and bathroom exhausts in walls facing open external areas rather than re-entrant space. This arrangement allows effective dispersion of pollutants from bathroom and kitchen exhaust and avoids having the exhausts facing window opening of an adjacent flat in a re-entrant scenario.

Building design is always a balance of constraints. There will be situation where bathroom or kitchen exhaust facing re-entrant is unavoidable. In such case, various measures can be considered to enhance pollution dispersion:

a) Avoid locating exhaust location directly facing windows of adjacent flats as far as practical.
b) Enhance natural ventilation in re-entrant by adopting cross-ventilated re-entrant design.
c) Limiting the size of exhaust fans installed by tenants through management arrangement or design measures like controlling the size of glass panels available for exhaust fan installation.
d) Require tenants to install exhaust fans with device like louvers to divert the exhaust downward and avoid blowing into the adjacent flat.

Computer fluid dynamics (CFD) simulation are tool utilized in some of our projects to analyze the effectiveness of pollutant dispersion and identify problematic area of a proposed design at early design stage so that corresponding design improvements can be implemented.

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Questions to: Professor Nelson Chow, Chair Professor, Department of Social Work & Social Administration, University of Hong Kong, HKSAR (Concurrent Session 6)
Q1. I totally share with the 'Aging in place' and 'Continuum of care' principles of providing elderly housing. In view of the cuts in public expenditure, what would be the impact of these cuts upon the provision of welfare services, e.g. home service, including meal and household services provided to the elderly in their 'living place'?
A. The cuts would of course have an impact on the services. However, the NGOs which are providing the services, like home help and home care, should explore other means of financing, like raising the fees for those who can afford to pay, or changing the mode of delivery, like getting the help of volunteers. The important thing is to ensure that those with the greatest need will receive the necessary services.
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Questions to: Professor Nelson Chow, Chair Professor, Department of Social Work & Social Administration, University of Hong Kong, HKSAR (Concurrent Session 6)
Q2. It seems that the "Care in the Community" or "Aging in Place" approach has been interpreted as "...either living by themselves or with members of their family rather than by care in residential institutions..." To implement that policy, considerable resources have been spent in a shifting away from building residential institutions. But to many elderly, it seems living in residential institutions may be a better choice in terms of care, social life and resources required. What is your view on this?
A. I agree with your observation. The important point is that we are not just talking about the principles and we must ensure that those living in the community would be taken care of by the provision of various kinds of social services. Community care must not become a phony word. On the other hand, those who require institutional care must be offered a place in the appropriate institutions.
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Question to: Professor Dr P S N Rao, Department of Housing, Indian Institute of Public Administration, India (Concurrent Session 7)
Q. Can you briefly explain what the government of India is doing in terms of providing decent housing for the urban poor?
A. Housing in India is a state subject. In India, there are 35 states (or provinces). Each state government has its own policies for housing the poor. Unfortunately, most of the state governments are not doing much for housing the poor. Some of the state governments have slum clearance and improvement boards which undertake slum projects. DFID, World Bank and other international agencies have been funding slum housing projects. The central (federal) government also has some schemes to house the poor. There is one scheme called Pavement Dwellers Programme where people who do not have a house and are sleeping/ living on the footpaths are provided some shelter - night shelter - so that they can sleep inside a building and use toilet facilities in the morning. Recently, a National Slum Development Program has also been launched. In spite of all these efforts, each of the 35 metropolitan cities (having population of more than 1 million each) have about 30 percent of people still living in slum like conditions!

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